My assumption is that the topic is "why women aren't generally seen to be lovers & friends to males in their 20s":

I agree with you completely that generally speaking 20 something guys separate the two. But the rant was more or less from just my eyes, I hadn't really put thought into what a lot of other males were thinking. Would I date someone I've known for a while? It all depends on who they are & how I felt about them. Would I go on a date with someone I thought was attractive but knew little about them? Yes I would. In a way to get to know them, and I think it's fair to say physically attraction usually comes first for dating. I can not read minds so I can not know their goals & interests in life. But just because a girl is my friend, doesn't mean I should want to date her. Without a "spark" or romantic interest, I wouldn't go after her. When it comes to a friend wanting to date you, and you don't feel the same see James Ingram's "I Don't Have The Heart" song.

Back to two categories, I agree. Also a lot of males seem to think when another says "she should hang out more often" that there is an interest of dating - when sometimes it's far from the truth. Usually I would say it because they are funny or enjoyed talking to them. Then again, most of the guys I notice who think that want to hump everything in sight.

Relationships should be based on the other being your lover & friend at I guess in the 20 somethings, when people are really getting to know who they are ( that age varies for everyone, I'm basing this on myself and some friends ) and what they want in life. What I wanted in a girlfriend at 18 is very different then what I want now, and I expect that for others as well. That's why I think sometimes relationships going from high school years through college years are messy - since both people change and see the world differently. If I had kept dating someone from that age to now, it wouldn't be a good relationship. People change so much in these years in life from experience, it's hard to keep up with what the other one wants & NEEDS in a relationship. And sometimes people just get comfortable in a relationship and rather use that then trying something different.

I lost track of where I was going with that.